Episode Transcript
[00:00:08] Speaker A: What's your name, scumbag?
[00:00:10] Speaker B: 40 fonts.
[00:00:11] Speaker A: What's your name, scumbag? Yo, I'm your boy. Case Stucky 76.
[00:00:15] Speaker B: We're K stuff. We back for another rendition of the Diddy trial.
[00:00:20] Speaker A: Boy, we down to the end.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: Yeah, we made it finally here.
So the prosecution made their close arguments and the defense made they close arguments.
[00:00:33] Speaker A: Yeah, man.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Just to remind everybody of the charges that Diddy face. He faced a total of five criminal counts, so. One of a rocketeering conspiracy, two counts of sexual trafficking by force, fraud and corrosion, and.
And two counts of transportation to engage the prostitution.
[00:01:03] Speaker A: Yeah, so, yeah, those are. Those are the. The charges on did it. But I saw where the prosecution dropped the arson, which was a. A by charge with.
Yeah, they dropped the arson and car bombing.
[00:01:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, the arson and the car bombers.
[00:01:21] Speaker A: Yeah, the arson and like the car bombing thing. I guess they felt like that wasn't a strong enough case to hold onto that, so they let some parts of the charges go.
The sub charges go.
[00:01:35] Speaker B: What's the Friday cohortion part, though?
[00:01:38] Speaker A: That he, you know, from my understanding that he, you know, used his money, his power, his. This, that. To make people do things for. To. To. To use that against. But he had it, though.
I don't. I don't see where that's sticking.
[00:01:54] Speaker B: Power, though.
[00:01:54] Speaker A: Yeah, he had that all the while. Like, it's not like y' all just found out that did just had money and influence.
And a lot of times those. Those guys in those positions get things done for them just because they in that position.
[00:02:08] Speaker B: Well, I guess you could say fraud. Could. Cassie. What? Cassie said she had like, what, like a thousand songs?
[00:02:16] Speaker A: But he ain't on trial for that, though.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: I know, but.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess he promised.
[00:02:20] Speaker B: Her this singing career and it never happened.
[00:02:24] Speaker A: Well, now, if he said if they could prove. Prove that.
That he made people do things for him in the hopes of gaining, you know, rights to his career and this and that, like they. But that's kind of so flaky to heart. That's so flaky to prove. Cause I can tell you I can get you a career and then I don't, then I. That's not a crime if I. If I can't make it happen because it just ain't. Just ain't popped off for you. You know what I'm saying? I can tell you whatever.
[00:02:53] Speaker B: Yeah, if this ain't popped, it ain't pop.
[00:02:55] Speaker A: You just ain't pop.
You could get mad at me. I tried. You can say I could say I tried.
[00:03:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:02] Speaker A: The song. A thousand of them songs just wasn't worth a.
I mean, I'm just saying, like I could say that in rebuttal to it.
[00:03:09] Speaker B: You know what casting song Me.
[00:03:11] Speaker A: Was it me and you that one song? One song. If I hear something I might can recognize. But no, not really. I can't just get here and run off. No. No catchy tracks.
[00:03:20] Speaker B: I don't know no Cassie song.
[00:03:21] Speaker A: So I'm not gonna sit here, act like I'm. I can run off some 5, 6 cassie classics like it can't happen. So also I think with. With the closing arguments.
[00:03:34] Speaker B: By who? The prosecution.
[00:03:36] Speaker A: Defense. The defense.
I was looking at those. A little bit of those last night. Some. Some stuff that was what was said. And he basically was the. The defense was like, we don't need Diddy to talk. We don't need no. No, no, no. No witnesses or nothing because y' all case ain't strong enough.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah. He said the government failed to.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: They failed to prove that he was doing he outside of his lifestyle.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:59] Speaker A: That he was running some kind of criminal organization because again, people was getting paid to do.
[00:04:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:04:07] Speaker A: A job. Right, Right. It's not like he had a gun in nobody head and was making them do it because people chose to come back.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: Like, hiring escorts is not illegal.
[00:04:17] Speaker A: It's not illegal. Now if we want to talk about that. If you fly a chick out, that's. That's the same thing. You can go to jail too. Then I get. And I'm not saying you personally, but.
[00:04:26] Speaker B: I'm just saying escort escorts not prohibited for having sex with the clients. All right.
I mean, that's what I mean.
[00:04:35] Speaker A: You could, you could. You can. You can. You can break it down to be that way when you're trying to make a case against a person.
But at the same time, we all have been guilty of that.
[00:04:46] Speaker B: What's that?
[00:04:49] Speaker A: Engaging in sex with.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: With the escort.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: I mean.
Okay, so what defines me as being an escort? Just because I. I paid for them.
You pay for a woman.
[00:05:00] Speaker B: I mean. Yeah. You pay for escort. That's a service.
[00:05:02] Speaker A: It's a service. You pay for a service. Ain't nobody. You didn't make the person become an escort. They was already one.
[00:05:07] Speaker B: You're supposed to be there for you, support you in a way emotionally that you need.
[00:05:11] Speaker A: You paid for his service, right? He paid for a service. You got paid.
[00:05:15] Speaker B: You're left or not the though, right?
[00:05:17] Speaker A: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: I mean that's.
[00:05:19] Speaker A: No, no, no. That's a part of. If you get a sexual. Your breakdown, your description of what escort you is, tell you what you're trying to do. That's it. If you go on any website and you look at escort and it'll.
I could be emotional or. I'm not looking for sex. I'm. You know, it tells you clearly what they do. When you call it the agency, you. You order them like a pizza, you know, you call it easy.
[00:05:45] Speaker B: It's a sex what you want.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: Yes. Yeah, Right. You see what I'm saying? You. You. You get what you. You paying for. What you're getting what you're paying for.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:52] Speaker A: You don't show up on a. On a question mark and not knowing why you come, why you came there.
And then if you don't want to engage in sex, then don't engage in sex, Leave.
But you stay, because it's $5,000 you can make and your ass gonna get this $5,000.
[00:06:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:10] Speaker A: And you gonna leave. And then when your phone ring again, you're gonna answer and you're gonna come back because it's 5,000 more dollars.
[00:06:17] Speaker B: Cause most people think, you know, we hire like an escort, emote any type of sexual engagement, you're thinking more like dominatrix type shit. No.
[00:06:28] Speaker A: So in some cases, yeah, I can see your point on that too. I mean, you go to Vegas, this the hang your car with Connors on the back as you walking down the street.
You see what I'm saying? Like, prostitution is legal in certain places. Here, that's not. Act like it's so far gone. So if he did everything in Vegas, if he carried on like this in Vegas, we wouldn't even have a case.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: See, a lot of the case, a lot of the charges probably ain't gonna stick.
[00:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't think so either.
We crucifying him for his lifestyle. Well, they're crucifying him for his lifestyle. But to me, you carrying drugs through the airport, that ain't got nothing. I didn't make you do that. You did that because you did that, you got caught.
[00:07:10] Speaker B: Right?
[00:07:12] Speaker A: And I think that guy was more a diddy dealer than a drug mule.
[00:07:17] Speaker B: Well, we saw the drug mule last week, right?
[00:07:19] Speaker A: Yeah, I think that same guy that he was saying a drug mule. I think he did. A dealer like, you can't draw through the airport, bro. How bold.
That ain't your first time doing that. Like, what do you mean?
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Yeah, D ain't made you do that.
[00:07:33] Speaker A: You did that because you. That's something you did. You didn't have, as long as you got the drugs.
The drugs were there in the room for me to partake in. I don't care how you get them here. I ain't make you get on the airplane. I ain't make you go to the airport with that.
You did. You could, you could have got a rental.
[00:07:49] Speaker B: But then, man, I don't know how you feel about the way the defense classified Diddy in Cassie relationship as a. I think they love story.
[00:08:02] Speaker A: I think that was a, A different spin on it that people didn't. Don't want to hear, man, because he said he didn't. He didn't prostitute her out.
They were saying he didn't prostitute her out. That was part of their lifestyle.
[00:08:13] Speaker B: It's the only thing they own is, is domestic violence. That's it.
[00:08:16] Speaker A: And they done already proved that she got paid for that. And that's over with. You see what I'm saying? In her civil case, that's over. He ain't on trial for beating her ass.
So I I it looking the way I see it, like you said, a lot of these stuff ain't gonna stick. They may get one or two tall to stick, but with. I don't think it's going to be this super amount of time. I could be wrong, but I don't think it's gonna be this super amount of time. And did it and did probably most of that time, they probably give him.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: He been, what, locked down about at least a year now, right?
[00:08:46] Speaker A: No, it ain't been quite a year yet.
[00:08:48] Speaker B: Ain't been quite a year.
[00:08:48] Speaker A: But, you know, two for one in the feds, right?
Is it one day equal two, something like that?
[00:08:55] Speaker B: I don't know the math, but two.
[00:08:58] Speaker A: Years, he might do another 18 months, something like that, and he back on the streets.
[00:09:02] Speaker B: Nah, you that fast?
[00:09:04] Speaker A: I think so, man.
That's just me. Because at first I didn't understand why they didn't. I said, out of all the people, nobody came to defend Diddy. Nobody want to get on the stand with Diddy.
They just like, y' all case ain't strong enough. So we just gonna be quiet over here and let y' all run it in the hole, right?
At first, I didn't understand the strategy, but as I started to read more, I said, okay, maybe that was the smart thing to do because they haven't really solidified the racket 10. Now, manipulation is not a crime.
It's bad. You can say he manipulated people, but you ain't going to jail for that, right?
But a lot of these people came back. Those.
This the part that gets me. A lot of these people came back and engaged in the same shit over and over and over again.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: How they try to get them.
[00:09:57] Speaker A: The racketeering charge, I don't know where that came from. I'm still trying to figure out where. Racketeering. He didn't extort people out of money.
He paid for a service.
[00:10:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:10:08] Speaker A: So the racketeering is. I don't really know what the basis of the racketeering is.
I don't. Now, I could be wrong and just not putting it all together.
And maybe, you know, maybe our listeners can help, you know, bring that all together. But I don't get the racketeering. When you hear racketeering, you think about. My boss is beating people across the leg with bats, taking their money for the week. You gotta give me a percentage of money.
You know. This was paying full price for his services, right?
No discounts.
[00:10:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: He wasn't running 25 off sales. And man, all day special, he was full price.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:48] Speaker A: Matter of fact, these cats are going in for 500. They were leaving out with 5,000.
[00:10:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
[00:10:56] Speaker A: What Flash and Punisher and the rest of these y' all came up big with Diddy, man. That's why y' all kept with him.
[00:11:03] Speaker B: That's why you killed.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: Now you feel bad. Oh, nigga, please.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: Right?
[00:11:08] Speaker A: He felt. Felt bad over to the bank, huh?
[00:11:10] Speaker B: What's your prediction? False.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: Did he get 3 years?
[00:11:14] Speaker B: 3 years with.
[00:11:16] Speaker A: With service time of 18 months under some kind of supervision. Other than that, probation. Probably a 15 year probation.
Your ass get caught out here again, we got you.
He gonna get the young thug saying so. Yeah, that's. That's my prediction. Three years cut off. That give another year in service and maybe some kind of domestic violence classes or some shit he gonna have to take and all kind of drug awareness class and all kind of like that, man, he out of there.
[00:11:46] Speaker B: I say, did he go home?
[00:11:47] Speaker A: Straight out. Straight out there. Straight. Straight from the. Straight from the courtroom. Straight to the house.
[00:11:51] Speaker B: Straight to the house.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: I don't know if he gonna get off late easily.
You think he's just gonna. That's it. They gonna drop all. They go not guilty on all charges.
[00:11:59] Speaker B: I think he going home.
[00:12:00] Speaker A: Okay, well, we'll see the plan.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: I think it's gonna be a hung jury.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: That's another thing.
I was talking somebody. I said, I think it might be a hung jury too. That was one of my things too. Like, they just two people ain't gonna go with it. And they ain't gonna be deciding. They gonna. They gonna. They gonna have to let the trial go because they can't.
Yeah, I can see that too. That's possible. That's definitely a strong possibility.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: He going home, though.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Damn. Well, did it leave out that courtroom.
I ain't saying he gonna cut up my boy. It's gonna be some mad people out here, bro.
But next year, this time he'd be back in court for civil. Civil cases.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: Legal problems ain't. No, it's far from over.
You think criminal. It'll be over. But legal. Legal case. Yeah. Civil case. Yeah. Civil case is fall from over. Legally, it'll be over for, you know, for the most part. But I don't know, man.
I guess, you know, D ain't in control of that now, man. His whole face. Career over his whole. His whole fate. I don't think his career over, man.
[00:13:08] Speaker B: You don't think so?
[00:13:09] Speaker A: Man, all I care was to walk out that prison right now. Somebody be dying to get this in the studio.
Yeah, dying, bro. And did it gonna be the same way did it get out? People gonna want to work with him. Yeah, man. Yes. Yes. That's just how society is, bro.
[00:13:27] Speaker C: I don't think he did anything that was like.
[00:13:29] Speaker A: I don't think. I hate to break it to you, but people gonna work with him.
[00:13:32] Speaker C: Yeah. He didn't do.
I hate to say he did stuff right. Like, it's bad, but it ain't. Like, it was like something for him to get canceled for, you feel me?
[00:13:44] Speaker A: Especially the way the side is now, man. Back in the 90s, maybe.
[00:13:47] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:13:47] Speaker A: But now he gonna be right back.
[00:13:49] Speaker C: I think R. Kelly, somebody. Cause somebody's gonna capitalize off of the comeback.
And even with R. Kelly, I would say his issue is his was relegated more towards children.
So I think that'd be difficult to come. More difficult for him.
[00:14:04] Speaker A: Somebody gonna turn them.
[00:14:05] Speaker C: But somebody. But somebody turned the microphone on because he's still saying.
[00:14:08] Speaker A: And he can still.
[00:14:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: Still produce music.
[00:14:12] Speaker C: He can still.
[00:14:13] Speaker A: He never lost. But he never lost it during all this section.
[00:14:16] Speaker C: He's still one of those reckless businessmen. You can't tell me that. Hey, he ain't got some money somewhere.
[00:14:21] Speaker A: He ain't making somebody some money.
[00:14:23] Speaker B: Broke. He ain't broke. No.
[00:14:25] Speaker A: Before he got locked up, he had opportunities on the table, I'm sure, to make people somewhere that's waiting on him to get. Get up so he can get their money.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: Oh, no.
[00:14:35] Speaker A: I'm telling you, man. Yeah. It's society, bro.
[00:14:38] Speaker C: I'm telling you, it's society.
[00:14:39] Speaker A: It's society, bro. There's people that did worse than that. They got out and did.
[00:14:44] Speaker C: And it's. And you're talking about people that are successful.
[00:14:47] Speaker A: You're not.
[00:14:47] Speaker C: We're not talking about, you know, Ronnie from down the street, who ain't. Who ain't did shit ever, except get locked up. You talking about somebody who made people billions of dollars.
Yeah, I know, but you can't tell. You can't. I just don't feel like you can say that.
[00:15:00] Speaker B: That's bad for PR though, man.
[00:15:01] Speaker A: That's the thing. Pr. Bad PR is. Is money. Michael Vick bad PR is money these days, bro.
[00:15:08] Speaker C: Michael Vick, we thought he'd never play football again.
[00:15:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:11] Speaker C: Came back and almost went to a Super Bowl.
[00:15:13] Speaker A: Almost. He got a coaching job at high.
[00:15:15] Speaker C: School, and now he's coaching a college team.
[00:15:18] Speaker A: You can. You can come back, bro. Yeah, this society. You can come back.
[00:15:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:21] Speaker A: The 90s will cancel your ass.
All right? The 90s. Early 2000, your ass is out of here.
[00:15:27] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:15:27] Speaker A: But now these. These. These. These decides. Too finicky, man.
[00:15:31] Speaker C: And.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: And bad press is good press.
[00:15:34] Speaker C: Money ain't. Money ain't. Yeah, that's what they say. Any news is good news. That's what they say. Any news is good news.
[00:15:39] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:40] Speaker C: So no matter what it is, either you're gonna buy the album to criticize.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: It, or you gonna buy it to.
[00:15:45] Speaker C: Hear it, or you gonna buy it to hear it, but either way, you're gonna buy it.
[00:15:49] Speaker A: That's how I feel about somebody gonna be waiting on this nigga to come out because.
[00:15:54] Speaker C: And then think about this. You're gonna get it for the low.
[00:15:58] Speaker A: You gonna get high quality shit for the low.
[00:16:00] Speaker C: Yesterday's price ain't today's price.
[00:16:02] Speaker A: Facts.
[00:16:03] Speaker C: Because what he could charge you before all this.
[00:16:05] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:05] Speaker C: He can't charge you now.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Right.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: But he's still gonna be trying to get his money back that he lost, that he could recoup and trying to get back. And then with that getting back, people gonna take advantage of that.
[00:16:16] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: The Internet's gonna take advantage. The podcast is in all these. The social media world is going to take a full advantage.
[00:16:22] Speaker B: Only thing he really could do now is damn. Sell the story.
[00:16:25] Speaker A: Now that's. Hell, that's. That's.
[00:16:28] Speaker C: That's.
They probably already in the works of doing that.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: They've been having Diddy shows, and the ain't even went to trial yet. Yeah, they've been having Diddy show, Diddy documentary.
Who cares?
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Nobody that didn't testify. Nobody give a chance to testify.
[00:16:46] Speaker A: Why?
[00:16:47] Speaker C: What was he justified?
[00:16:47] Speaker A: Well, he's testifying too.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: He said did it try to kill him.
[00:16:51] Speaker C: But that shows how credible he was. That shows how credible because the prosecution didn't put him on.
[00:16:57] Speaker A: They put 35 witnesses up there and he wasn't now one of them.
[00:17:00] Speaker B: Oh man, they couldn't let.
[00:17:03] Speaker C: No, because.
[00:17:04] Speaker A: No, because when they check the story out, it don't add up.
[00:17:08] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying. Like they.
[00:17:09] Speaker A: They check.
[00:17:10] Speaker C: They fat check. They not about to put you up.
[00:17:12] Speaker A: There and you ain't you want some?
I don't care what he's saying.
[00:17:17] Speaker C: It's what he can prove is what you could prove. Ain't that from. From what's that movie with. With Jamie Foxx? That where he's the lawyer and the dude.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:17:28] Speaker C: That's what he told him. He said it ain't about the truth.
[00:17:30] Speaker A: It's about what you can prove.
[00:17:33] Speaker C: Period.
[00:17:35] Speaker B: Almost died, man.
[00:17:36] Speaker A: He almost died because he almost died. He trying to blame somebody.
[00:17:40] Speaker C: Trying to blame somebody for that.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: Yeah, and make him and make a money making money off the store instead of just being Abby show up.
[00:17:46] Speaker C: I wasn't there holding the light, so I don't know.
But at the end of the day, if he it was a credible story.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: He would have been understand he'd have been on the stand.
[00:17:54] Speaker C: If it was a credible story. That's all I could say.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: If they could use that to go against did it. He would have had his black ass on the stand.
[00:18:00] Speaker C: He would have probably been one of the first. He would have been the one of the key witnesses.
[00:18:04] Speaker A: He sound like a bitter ass.
[00:18:06] Speaker C: He's not like a bit of X.
[00:18:07] Speaker A: A bit of X. That ain't your problem is you're not worried about the main person. You need to be worried about your son having a relationship with your son. Quit worrying about what the foot did to kill his boy Nino Brown.
[00:18:17] Speaker C: And that's the next thing. The fact that you crazy another man like you, you mad at the wrong person.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:18:25] Speaker C: Because your own son calls him Daddy.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: Daddy.
[00:18:29] Speaker C: Your son.
[00:18:30] Speaker A: Now you go up there this man, regardless of how you feel about it personally, right?
Abby Shaw looks like a sucker because you worried about Diddy. And what did you trying to say? Did it try to kill you, man? All kind of shit like that, man. What are you talking about?
Sing some songs, nigga, and get. And quit trying to get off on this whole sympathy shit, bro. No, if again, if your story was credible, your ass would have been on the stand.
You'd have swore in you to set your black ass down there and told your side 100.
[00:19:04] Speaker B: Nobody called Kareem out. Ball to the stando.
[00:19:06] Speaker C: Hey, man.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Kareem, Kareem, Kareem. Ball full of, man.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: Kareem. Get Kareem on the stage, man.
[00:19:17] Speaker A: Another person who didn't hit the stand.
Gene deal. Mr. I know everything. Mr.
[00:19:21] Speaker C: I know everything.
[00:19:22] Speaker B: Y. Oh, yeah. He didn't hit the stand because his.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Is he bullshitting, too?
[00:19:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I forgot about him.
[00:19:27] Speaker A: Cause he full of too.
[00:19:31] Speaker B: That light skinned for the brink.
[00:19:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Brother from the bank. Look at him.
Brother for the bank.
They threatened my family.
But I'm saying, man, I'll be showing.
[00:19:43] Speaker B: Up ball on the stand, though.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: Why that would have been he. His story ain't worth a man, and it got holes in it.
Did he try to keep. Hell, you see what they did with Kid Cuddy? They tried Kid Cuddy and then they said, nah, you know, scratch all that. He said. Cause that ain't gonna hold up.
[00:19:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:59] Speaker A: This said. He opened my Christmas gift. I bet that man said, man, get out of here with that.
Listen, he broke in my house with my criminal gifts.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Word.
But I get. There you go. I guess that's a pin on the Diddy story, too.
[00:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah, we. We definitely notice. Yeah. We'll come back. Hopefully they have a verdict in, and we'll. We'll be discussing that.
[00:20:18] Speaker B: There you go. And Georgia deliberate on Monday, right?
[00:20:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:24] Speaker B: June 3rd, where catch on, by the.
[00:20:26] Speaker A: Time the 4th come through, we have an answer.
[00:20:28] Speaker B: Answer.
